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Thats one more dead terrorist .
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ElevenBravo
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I read a story yesterday that said the US had swifting killed like 1,600 insurgents. The bodies were just laying littering the streets.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:47 am |
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Satis
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Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16661 Location: On a slope
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mmmmm....bodies littering the street. *drool*
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:14 am |
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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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This is way you take the leaders out first.
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| | | | Quote: Wounded soldiers describe 'reckles' Fallujah rebels Mon Nov 15 2004 09:30:56 ET
LANDSTUHL, Germany - Wounded US soldiers being treated at the military hospital here on Monday gave a graphic account of the battle for the rebel Iraqi stronghold of Fallujah.
US-led forces said on Monday they had taken almost complete control of the city after a week-long battle but were still hunting for pockets of diehard rebels.
The handful of Marines and soldiers who met the press were flown to Landstuhl in southwest Germany, which is the largest US military medical facility outside the United States, last week.
They described the rebel fighters as young, disorganised and often reckless but well-armed.
"You recognise them easily. They wear masks, they carry weapons, they move in small squads," said 22-year-old soldier Kris Clinkscales, who suffered an arm injury from an exploding shell.
"Civilians are usually wearing traditional gowns, they lift their hands when they see you."
He said he was sure he had not shot at civilians because they were easy to identify. "There were bodies on the street, but only insurgents," he said.
Clinkscales is among the 275 wounded on the US side according to figures given by commanders in Baghdad, although a spokeswoman for the hospital said that up to Monday it had treated 419 injured servicemen, mostly from the Fallujah offensive, and that 46 more were due to arrive later that day.
Thirty eight US soldiers have been killed in the assault.
Clinkscales, who arrived at the hospital on Saturday, described the rebel fighters' approach as "reckless", "especially the young ones, aged 18 to 20. They were quite disorganised."
Travis Schafer, a 20-year-old Marine, who injured a hand when a shell exploded, said he was sure the rebels were prepared to sacrifice everything.
"These guys are ready to fight to the death," he told the press conference. "I was surprised by the weapons they had," he added, describing seeing "loads of RPGs (rocket-propelled grenade launchers) and machine guns".
And Schafer said the battle had been conducted from street to street.
"This is a rooftop to rooftop kind of fight. You see the snipers jumping from one roof to another."
Ryan Chapman, a 22-year-old Marine, was hit above the left eye by a sniper's bullet, but escaped with a fractured skull.
"People keep on telling me that I'm lucky," he said. "I don't mind being lucky."
Despite his brush with death, Chapman was keen to return to fight in Iraq.
"I want to go back. It kills me when I see the news, when I think of all my buddies back there."
More than 1,200 rebels have been killed in the battle, the US military said on Monday.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:51 am |
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Rinox
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Say what?! That's kinda...diceing with death.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:02 pm |
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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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Its called courage and self sacrifice.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:29 pm |
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derf
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Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:17 pm Posts: 7721 Location: Centre of the sun
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Its, all three of those.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:46 am |
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ElevenBravo
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Rhinox you where saying something about Saddam not careing about Israel?
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| | | | Associated Press wrote: Probe: Oil funds paid for bombers
NEW YORK -- Saddam Hussein diverted money from the U.N. oil-for-food program to pay millions of dollars to families of Palestinian suicide bombers who carried out attacks on Israel, say congressional investigators who uncovered evidence of the money trail.
The former Iraqi president tapped secret bank accounts in Jordan -- where he collected bribes from foreign companies and individuals doing illicit business under the humanitarian program -- to reward the families up to $25,000 each, investigators told The Associated Press.
Documents prepared for a hearing today by the House International Relations Committee outline the new findings.
Today's hearing, however, will focus on a French bank that handled most of the money for the program. An audit by a U.S. regulatory agency of a small sample of transactions out of the $60 billion U.N. escrow account managed by BNP-Paribas has raised serious questions concerning the bank's compliance with American money-laundering laws, investigators said. "There are indications that the bank may have been noncompliant in administering the oil-for-food program,"
committee chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill., said. "If true, these possible banking lapses may have facilitated Saddam Hussein's manipulation and corruption of the program."
While acknowledging that U.S. regulators have raised routine issues with BNP on compliance with banking laws, a lawyer for BNP said Hyde's statement was unfair.
"No departure from any standard caused or contributed in any way to the abuse at the oil-for-food program," the bank's lead counsel, Robert S. Bennett, said. "There are simply no connections."
The humanitarian program let Iraq trade oil for food, medicine and other items. But investigators say Saddam made more than $21.3 billion in illegal revenue under the program.
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:27 pm |
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J
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Arafat was about the only guy to support Saddam when he attacked Kuwait. Which made him lose all other financial support from Arab countries. So it's no big surprise that Saddam was was supporting Arafat as well. I have seen several pieces on Arafat and the whole palestinian-israelian situation after he died, and it seemed pretty clear for everyone that saddam and arafat were best buddies. So nothing worldshaking in that piece for me.
Btw there's a difference (for Saddam directly) in supporting bombings in the west and bombings in israel. If there would be a bombing in London, NY, dunnowhere, that would be a big shock (like 9/11) and thoroughly investigated. Supporting palestinians isn't a big risk for him.
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:24 pm |
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Rinox
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I never said Saddam didn't care for Isreal..every arab cares about Israel, in that they'd like to see them all dead sooner or later. But it certainly wasn't his masterplan to take down Israel or something. like J said, it's 'just' payback for the Palestinians. Just about every arab regime supports Palestinian radicalists...that's more or less the only thing they all agree on. Just as long as none of them dares to attack Israel openly or set up immediate terroristic plans they'll not get wasted, like I said before. But supporting the Palestinians, yes sirree.
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:44 pm |
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ElevenBravo
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OMG you guys just blow my mind. I sure am glad its America thats the number one power on Earth and not your countries.
Terrorism is terrorism no matter what the motive is. There is NO difference what so ever.
Any support of any terrorist acts is wrong.
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:29 pm |
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J
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OF COURSE any support of any terrorist act is wrong. I thought it would be obvious and that i wouldn't have to put it there explicit. I even added (for saddam directly) to add so that it would be clearer. But appearantly it didn't help much.
What i mean is that if saddam supports bombings in the west, his position as leader would be serieusly in danger. Where it was rather safe for him to support palestinians, because nobody is going to thoroughly investigate all the funders of all the different extremist groups. A suicide palestinian bomber is nothing new (unfortunately), an act of terrorism in the west is an upset (9/11, bombings in Madrid) and would greatly endanger his position as iraqi leader if there was any indication he was somehow involved. (actually would have endangered, but bla)
So it's for Saddam that there's a difference, and prolly even not in how he thinks about bombings here or there, but in how it would have affected him in his position as iraqi leader.
clear now?
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:37 am |
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Rinox
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Well put J...for the last time 11b, we do not support 'terrorism. I think it would have been obvious, but bleh. Is it really necessary for me to explain my entire position on things again and again first? I think it is obvious that I'm a)not a fan of terrorism b)do not hate the US and c) mightily cool.
In the end just about any Western country supports (or has supported) shady groups abroad directly on indirectly. Israel supporting Hamas (initially), the US supporting the Mujaheddin during the cold war/this or that candidate in S-American countries that would suit them best, the Soviet union (back in the days) supporting 'freedom fighters' in Western colonies, etc. There's a fine line between this and terrorism, in fact it is usually a matter of perspective. I don't care either way and I don't care who does it (because we'll all sink to it if it comes down to it), but let's not act so hypocritical about the 'war on terror'.
So: terrorism= bad. But also, supporting terrorism=not limited to 3rd world countries and 'evil' dictators. And maybe mad professors.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:53 am |
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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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But Saddam did support west terrorism... He had terrorist training camps in Iraq. Old Boeing 747's and airplanes for terrorist to train on how to hijack a plane.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:49 am |
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derf
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I'd love to join in, but i know shit about this agenda.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:49 am |
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Arathorn
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All Arab countries support the Palestinians and hate the west. However, they're smart enough not to attack Israel or the west directly. After Saddam got kicked out of Kuwait, every leader in the Arab world must have understood this.
It's been known for a long time that Saddam supported the families of Palestinian bombers with money, but no way he would dare to attack anyone directly.
Saddam and other Arab leaders only want to stay in their luxurous palaces as long as possible. They only annoy the west when that's politically convenient.
Everybody's evil to some extent, but nobody is "good", including the people around you in your country. I wonder when Americans will start to understand that.
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