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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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Thats false. Democrate Liberals are supporters of big government. More government control, more hands of government in what people do. The democratic party and the liberals that run it or more akin to socialism.
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:26 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16661 Location: On a slope
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I think you misunderstand. Libertarian is not a democrat or a liberal. It is its own political belief system.
Most libertarians are actually conservative. They all support a reduction in government, which is what defines the libertarian view point.
The libertarian candidate for president this election is Michael Badnarik. Don't know squat about him, and no way in hell will he win.
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:10 am |
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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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O I see your thinking there.
When I think of Libertarian's I think of liberals ( in terms of far left wing democrates )
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:37 pm |
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Rinox
Minor Diety
Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:23 am Posts: 14892 Location: behind a good glass of Duvel
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lol. Satis is quite right tho, I know other Americans who refer to themselves as "conservatives", in that they say that want to 'return to the base of the constitution', and strive for less government and more personal rights. (right to bear arms and whatnot) While there's bound to be some distinction that I'm not gonna be exploring here; what they said always reminded me of libertarianism. To use a Dick quote:
“The USSR turned fascist in Stalin’s timeâ€
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:55 pm |
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derf
Minor Diety
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:17 pm Posts: 7721 Location: Centre of the sun
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Politics is very unsystemactical. Libertarians sound as if theyre the same as the Conservatives in the UK, howvever they are ultimately very different.
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:04 am |
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Arathorn
Minor Diety
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:23 am Posts: 3956 Location: Amsterdam
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Well ironically Kerry and Bush do have more differences then they claim to have, but simply because they have to win the moderate voters, who are inbetween the standpoints of the two parties, they can't get too radical, in fear of losing those moderate voters.
I think a healthy democracy should have at least three-four main parties forming coalitions.
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:17 am |
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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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Well Kerry is alot like Bush on the days he changes his mind due to political pressure. I mean some days Kerry supports the war with Iraq and thinks Saddam should have been removed, then others hes on the other side of the issue. So I guess it just depends on that day, if Bush and Kerry are different or not.
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:29 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16661 Location: On a slope
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hehe.....I think either one would say what they believe they ought to say in order to get elected. I don't trust any career politician. And i'm not the only one. Which is why we have 2 state governors that were never in politics prior to running for governor.
What's shocking is, these two guys are doing alot more good for their states than any politician has in a very long time.
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:10 am |
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derf
Minor Diety
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:17 pm Posts: 7721 Location: Centre of the sun
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Do you think democracy is becoming too centralised on a president?
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:22 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16661 Location: On a slope
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me? No. Not in this country, at least. He's got alot of power, but I think Congress has more power. In fact, I think they have too much power. If there's any major threat to democracy, I think Congress is the biggest one.
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Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:30 pm |
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derf
Minor Diety
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:17 pm Posts: 7721 Location: Centre of the sun
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In the Uk there is consideable criticism toward a shift from Prime ministerialism to Presidency, especially in Blair, which means centralisation. Personally, i despise all kinds of characyterisation in democracy.
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:51 am |
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Rinox
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Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:23 am Posts: 14892 Location: behind a good glass of Duvel
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Is characyterisation a word or just characterisation misspelled?
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:15 am |
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derf
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Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:17 pm Posts: 7721 Location: Centre of the sun
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lol, no i means characterisation. In the sence that stupid people consider personality as a factor of whether a president is competent or not.
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:44 am |
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J
Minor Diety
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:31 pm Posts: 3334 Location: Belgium
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I don`t fully agree with the 'stupid people' reference, but you`re right if you`re saying that politics are more a popularity vote. Hey that guy seems an okay guy, let`s vote for him. Hey he`s funny, i vote for that guy. Mm she`s cute i vote for her. And so on and so on.
Very often it`s not about ideas.
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:52 am |
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derf
Minor Diety
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:17 pm Posts: 7721 Location: Centre of the sun
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I agree. People just find politics less interesting than their episode of Eastenders.
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:55 am |
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