Free Ellis hat and a frying pan for people who order or own L4D2.

Kinda feel bad for trading Bill's Hat to Marco though...

haha, is that where he got it? Loser. Bill died for your sins! Repent! Repent!

Cool about the hat and frying pan. Steam was fucked up last night when I tried playing, so no loots for me. I'll try again today, probably.

He gave me the Heavy's Hound Dog hat, a piece of reclaimed metal and 3-4 vintage weapons I didn't have (after my golden wrench crafting madness) anymore!! IT WAS A SWEET DEAL!!

But I still feel bad.

You will never have Bill's hat again.

About the vintage thing, it kinda sucks. I'm shying away from crafting anything that has vintage on it into scrap metal. So I may have 3-4 of a weapon, but I won't craft it because 2 of em are vintage. I think the backpack is bigger, though, so maybe that makes up for it.

Yeah it's bigger, a lot even I think.

Can't you just trade vintage weapons for, say, scrap metal? That way you get rid of your doubles and get a nice price for them.

I know @ Bill's Hat. I don't really care ALL that much since I don't play TF2 anywhere nearly enough to amass all extra items anyway (like the bunny ears and the holy hand grenade etc), but since I like L4D so much it's a little bit sad. Also, the fact that O'Cram finally gets rewarded for being such a doubtful bastard about preordering L4D2 when we all dove right in is a bit of a bummer.

yea, I hear you. Btw, edited your post to eliminate racism.

vintage schmintage, if i have 3 or more of one weapon they'll be turned to metal

Keeping spare ones atm for crafting purposes (scrap metal + weapon __ gives new weapon)

Haha, racist? Sheesh...it was just as racist as saying that the Dutch can't make decent beer for shit, or that Americans are fat, or that Belgians are child-molesting waffle eaters. Just a funny stereotype basically.

Now if I'd said "Jews are scum and thieves and lesser beings", yeah, THAT would be fucked up.

I guess it's really an individual thing. Imo, calling someone a bastard jew for being cheap is like calling someone a bastard fag for wearing designer clothes. Or a ghetto nigger for being black or something. In all cases, I think it's a bit strong.

On the other hand, calling someone a Croissant-eating surrender monkey for being French isn't so bad. In my world view. Opinions? Maybe I should split this.

Split it if you want.

Nigger is a historically loaded pejorative so that's a clear racial slur in almost any non-black context. 'Jew' is just an ethnic group so it's not as bad, but of course the fact that a lot of cultures now and in the past practiced heavy anti-Semitism makes it sound dicey. Without that context it's definitely not any worse than 'frog', 'waffle-eater', 'dago', 'wop' etc. In fact, they're probably even more malicious (as they are pejoratives). My point being, it's only really racist if you start saying something like "kike". Unless you're a racist, in which case jew can be wrong, but since I'm clearly not I'll use it when I want to.

Same with saying 'homo' or 'gay'. I do use them occasionally, but that's clearly not because I have an issue with homosexuals. Over here there is a greyer slur btw, 'jeannette'. Basically it refers to an effeminate man, who doesn't necessarily need to be gay (but of course gays are often effeminate). So a man in designer clothes would be called that by me. Same for guys in pink shirts and other fucked up metro man BS.

All depends on who says it in what context. I have a Puerto Rican friend who I like to tease for being a 'spic' and a black friend who I practice heavy ebonics with, including the n-word. If some random dude came up and said it then sure, they'd hook him in the jaw. But they know me well enough to see the irony of it all.

On a side note, the word gay/fag seems to have taken an entirely seperate meaning from the actual meaning of homosexual. South park dedicated an episode to it, which ends with the (armed) gay pressure group 'Gays against fags' chasing a bunch of 'faggot bikers' out of town.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-ep ... the-f-word

God I love people taking the piss out of bikers.

hah. I don't think there's much need to split. I don't see this discussion going much further. I think we're mostly on the same page. I did know about 'gay' taking on alternate meanings, but not faggot (other than its original meaning)... and fag of course has an alternate meaning in England. *shrug*

Just wondering, anyone want a specific item? if so we may arrange trading etc.

I keep an eye out for a Ze Goggles for Derf, but other than that I'l not sure what everyone else wants. (I already gave him the [urlhttp://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Vita-Saw]Vitasaw[/url] since I tend to get him killed when he's near 100% ubercharge softens the blow a bit)

I really like the vitasaw. Last night, aside from being utterly frustrating, filled with bad luck and playing with SHIT teams, there were 7 occasions where Ox would die, and 1 millionth of a second later, I would uber myself.

I laughed so hard during that game, it happened really insanely often. I'd go in and, as usual, blindly trust Derf's uber instincts which are usually pretty spot on, and...get blown to shit. Then 2 seconds later I see him running around ubered in enemy territory and cursing. It happens from time to time, of course, but never THAT often during one play session.

The irony is that even with those endless failed ubers we still dominated server scores each round both when our team won and when we lost. I mean...jeez. How bad can teams be?

I have a feeling that some of the new weapons are OP btw. The pyro's new flamer that allows them to make ultra-fast weapon switches (when they were already fast as it was) is ridiculous. It goes something like 'take 5 fire damage from 3 meters away WHACK get critted by the Axtinguisher microsecond later' now. Every FUCKING time. And the sniper's jarate sniper is ridiculous too. On a map with a half-decent sniper I'm covered in jarate 50% of the time as anything else than a scout (since they can't HS anyway they just bodyshot everyone, which is easy). Two wayward demo nades exploding near you when you're jarated and it's pretty much back to the drawing board for any class (dead or so weakened you need to find health).

And the demoman is just as OP as he ever was, of course. Fucking cancer shit class. His only weakness is that he can't snipe people. Ability to spam almost endlessly over and around corners - check. Great HP/speed tradeoff - check. Hard as hell to headshot as a sniper (head tucked away) - check. Sticky gun used to make easy kills at slide doors - check. Best melee class in the game (eyelander) - check. Ability to 'select' random crit stickies - check. Can rocket jump - check. Can become extremely resistant vs fire and explosives (chargin targe) - check. And the list goes on. I really do feel sorry for people who only play demoman.

On another whine note: the fact that most servers have upped the player limit to 16 vs 16 on maps that were originally meant for much smaller teams makes some matches draw out uselessly long and, effectively, stalemate. With enough demo/soldier spam and a few engies you can completely deny access to some areas. Boring, skill-less and frustrating. I also play scout a lot, which is almost impossible to do well on the most 'popular' maps since it's a lot of tight areas and small open spaces, with too many players.

So I try to scout on maps that are a little less stale. Like Hightower, Upward etc. Big maps that can't be entirely denied by a team. You wouldn't believe what kind of stunts you can do with the Force-a-nature and triple jumping. It's so tense and satisfying. I lub the F-a-N so much.