either way we're fucked.

Look after ourselves, we have even worse over-population.

Don't look after ourselves, we're a bunch of fat, lazy slobs (i.e. now)

And we can't look back to history; I don't think we EVER lived the perfectly natural life except as cavemen, which isn't documented.

lol...the whole 'living in harmony with nature' stuff is a bunch of bullshit.

When we 'lived in harmony with nature', most people died by the time they were 30. Life was all about being hungry and cold and dirty, struggling to get enough food to live, and trying not to get killed by some creature.

Most of the time when you had a kid, either the kid and mother died during childbirth, or the kid died long before growing up. Disease was a reality of life. Peoples teeth rotted and decayed from malnutrition and lack of care.

to sum up, when mankind lived in harmony with nature, mankind's lot in life SUCKED. Go back a couple hundred years, and most people still lived like that. Things are much better now, especially in the first world.

I didn't know there were still people who believe in the "live with nature" bullshit. I though that was typical 19th century.
But if you want to go natural:
Evolution is natural. Evolution is all about kicking other creatures' butt. Humans evolved to have larger brains then other creatures, because that's about the only advantage we have (you can alo count having the body to be able to build things). Now we use thast brain to kick butt. What's the problem?

Natural lives? Laughable. As soon as we became different to other primates (and other homines) in the stone tools and fire and culture department we became unnatural.

lol....we're unnatural. I suddenly got a flash of ghosts and vampires. :p

lol no way im going natural thank you

For us as a race, it'd be a bad idea. For the world, it would probably be good.

lol its not hard to imagine at all. Whats hard to imagine is humans giving up anything. We're all selfish bastards as a race, and I can't see ANYONE giving up houses, or chips, or cars. Maybe if we somehow had everything wiped out by a freak of nature, and all our scientists etc got killed it would happen.

World without money would be great. But you're telling me Bill Gates and Richard Branson type people wouldn't find a way to exploit it, and become 'richer' or more powerful than the rest of us? Or even reinvent money in such a clever way we didn't realise?

love the quote ox

if there's no money...how do you get food? How about luxuries? If you get it 'based on need', you have communism, and communsm doesn't work. If you give it 'based on work provided', you just replaced money with barter and stepped back in evolution several thousand years.

I just don't see it as doable.