So the basic argument in the states is that if there was a totalirian version of decentralised or centralised government it would create problems. However, if we ignore the actual existing models could it be possible to create a new one. Looking at True, Radical Democracy, that Athens had, people went into town to the Pnyx where a certain number could enter a day (round 6000) they could then discuss and vote on issues concerning them. Could we then use each town to decide an issue then representatives from each town (which could be randomly selected to prevent well trained orators winning cases) in a central government to decide the issue which can then be applied to a nation. Would that be a possible way of having a new government. Because one of the critical flaws and strengths of present politics is that we have professionals which may not speak for the people, instead for their interests. Yes the system does have flaws since scapegoatism can be practiced so special attention needs to be given to the education system to discourage it by logically arguing that using people as a scapegoat would result in problems (this happened a lot towards the end of the Second Peloppennisan War as the Trial of the Generals proved (trial of the generals of a fleet that won a battle then failed to pick up the survivors due to disobediance of subordinates. through the use of unconstitutional practices the generals were found guilty and sentenced to death then later pardoned posthumously)).

hmmm...good point. What if you do something illegal in LA, then go to TX where it's legal. Does TX extradite you to LA for prosecution, or do they let you stay in TX as a political refugee?

And I think Athenian-style democracy is impossible for various reasons.

1. Athens was tiny....even a medium size city nowadays had more people in it than all of Greece had at the time.

2. People that debated in public were knowledgeable on the issues. People today are not.

3. People are stupid. They may have been stupid then, too, but they're definetely stupid now.

4. How do you enable an entire nation to vote on every issue? The internet comes to mind, but not 100% of the nation is internet-connected. And how do you get around security concerns? The internet is insecure. It's not a good way to guarantee 100% accuracy. Look at electronic voting machines and all the issues they have.