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Author:  derf [ Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:02 am ]
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Surgeons, Line Technicians, Construction Workers, Programmers, Librarians and Toilet Cleaners. Eventually, all these kinds of jobs will dissappear to robots. Why? Because its cheaper. Far cheaper.

So where do all the people turn to for jobs? Heres the exciting bit. The entire population will choose from only four jobs.

1) Research & Development - The world will form as one collective R&D department to improve the robots and technology. A staggering majority of the population will work purely and simply as brain-stormers. Innovation, Design, Prototyping. Why? Because robotics is the largest single market on the planet.

2) Sport - As human as we are, there will be a phenomenal rise in sporting proffessionals. These people will love their job and people will love watching them. Sport is an essential to us.

3) Art - Again, like sport, we need art like we need air for breathing. Expect a flourishing mass of talent on a scale you have never seen before.

4) Managament - The whole world would we so taken by all this free time and quality of life that we will need hardly any government. The people will no longer need to be governed. Politics will simply become a matter of management.
Author:  Arathorn [ Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:58 am ]
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Well, that leaves out a great amount of people I think.
Author:  derf [ Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:53 am ]
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Thats the beauty of it.
Author:  Satis [ Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:48 am ]
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I think there are many jobs which will never go to robots, because robots lack creativity and foresight. Maybe alot of menial, crappy jobs will, but nothing that requires intuition or creativity. Which I think is more jobs than you may credit.

Also...we need people to fix all these robots. Unless you want robots to fix the robots...but robots aren't very good at fixing complex things...too logical. A human is much more efficient (at least once they've wrapped their heads around the job)
Author:  Rinox [ Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:55 pm ]
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Not just that...I don't agree with your initial points anyway Derf. I think art is very much a secondary element of our society. I'm very marxist in that department. ;)

Sports are an extension of our primal instincts (victory, hunting, domination) and as such is a much more 'human' aspect than art. But with sports robots take over too. Or science, anyway. In this and 100 years -if we're still here- athletes will be 'specialized' freakshows. Genetic doping is a not-so-distant reality, and very hard to prove.

So, I think robotic future is a realistic one, but not to be regarded as a robot/human division. I think it'll be more about robotic humans. :)
Author:  derf [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 am ]
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Im talking about waaaaay into the future. For example when the whole world will be completely globalised. In other words, bloody ages from here.

The points you and Sat make are valid, but only for the near future. Satis mentions the limitation of the capability of robots, but he doesnt realise that essentially there is no functional barrier that robots hold toward the kind of jobs i mentioned.

Anyway, the whole point, is to take humans off these jobs and make robots our bitches. They do all real work, while we ALL figure out how to improve it.

Another way to look at it from my point of view is to look at how i got to this idea. I was thinking about todays robotic technology and how its replacing humans in the car manufacturing industry. Now multiply that by how many jubs there are in the world and put everyone in R&D.

The advantages are astounding, something like everyone having to work only 4 hours a day at a stupidly high wages. Why? Because the robots work!
Author:  ElevenBravo [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:00 am ]
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Author:  Satis [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:14 am ]
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Author:  ElevenBravo [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:26 am ]
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Author:  derf [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:05 am ]
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Author:  Satis [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:57 am ]
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Author:  derf [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:59 pm ]
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Author:  Rinox [ Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:02 pm ]
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I still maintain that your definition of art is too 'arty' Derf. :wink: A robot using advanced algorithms could create art, for art is a skill like another.

Anyhoo, if you fed an advanced robot program certain thematic ingredients, a writing style and a few variables when it comes to the plot, I'm sure one could write a book that I could consider good. So I don't see the problem.

being human we like to think that we're special, but we're not really that special. Good music, good stories: they depend on very basic principles that are really more of an automatism than a divine creation process. In fact, we're probably sucky at it because we lack the processing speed and efficiency, a robot would actually be better at it. Algorithms are based on our thought processes (in fact, they are copies) so a robot -being more skilled at processing them- would pwn is badly at it. :)

For the record, I consider music and written art to be more 'real' art than visual art. Visual art is a fashion industry nowadays, not something inspiring.
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