Well then, if they dont have the family to do it then I guess they shouldnt have thought about that before committing murder then? In essence they sealed their on death. They are dieing by their own hand, not by a executioner or the state but their own hand.

And to answer you last question yes. Most of the worlds criminal actions can all go back to one thing, their upbringing. So since their parents didnt want to deal with them when they where young, they have to deal with them now or allow them to die. The burden of a criminals action should NOT be carried by those not involved. Why should anyone of us have to carry the burden of allowing a rapist murder to live?

This is the most humane way to deal with this. These criminal who are truly criminal need to be off the street #1. But, they dont need to be living large in jail either sucking off society. They need to be removed but executing them is not so humane. They have commit a crime against society so they need to be remove from society.

ITs like lepers. Lepers lived in caves removed from the rest of society. Who feed them? Their families.


How else do you keep criminal off the street removed from society while at the same time making sure the cost is kept small or 0?

1/ Lepers were suffering from a disease, people still could go near them without being killed, you just had a possiblity of catching a disease which not a lot is known about still.
2/ Harold Shipman- No-one knows why he killed so many people and he was considered to be one of the most prolific serial killers in the world.

so murder.... Mental disease or poor judgement?

Not really- could be seen as advantageous in some situations

murder is never advantageous.

One way is called war
another is self-defence
another is killing someone to stop them doing something
another is execution
getting rich quickly
I could go on you know...

You could but you would be wrong.

Self Defense is not murder. Execution is not murder. War is not murder. Murder is



Murder includes "malice" and or intent to do harm unlawfully. Shooting someone because you dont like them is murder. Killing someone who is trying to murder you is self-defense.

So again, "murder" is not advantageous.

All depends on your point of view.

As far as I'm concerned, any killing of another human being besides self defense is murder. And even then it would have to be along the lines of "he had his hands round my throat and I couldn't breathe" rather than "oh no, he was walking round on my lawn looking at the windows to try and break in so I shot him"

Trouble is we have these things called ethics and morals. If we didn't have them we'd be fine. But now a judge/jury hear "well I only shot him coz he was a burglar and I thought he might have a knife" they might be inclined to let him off because he thought he was in danger. Yeah, the guy shouldn't have been there of course. But that doesn't make killing him right.

lol, thats rich. Without morals and ethics we would be fine? Are you saying without ethics and moral, we as a society would be better off?

Double post

Speaking of prisons. 1 out of 136 Americans are in jail

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/21/D8HODD7G0.html

no i'm saying we have double ethics and morals. We probably would be better off without them, as well as a lot of other things. Then we might be more like animals and only cause others problems when after food. Personally I think we'd be better off extinct

Yes. We would. Why?

Because we'd be just like wild animals - we'd strain to survive. We'd kill to eat, we'd mate, and that would be the way life was.

Instead, due to morals and ethics, we actually give a damn if people die, when people steal, when people kill etc etc. This way, we NEED an overseer, a government. And because the people in the government are just as corrupt as those outside of it, it just doesn't work (In a make people happy kinda way)

I think overall, I'm with pev - without the human race, the planet would be better off.

personally, I enjoy my own existence. As for the planet being better off, that makes the assumption that it's not well off. Personally, I think Earth is a hell of a lot better of than Mars or Venus.

But anyway, ethics and morality are one of the defining features of the human race. But that has nothing to do with murder. Apes have murder, but I doubt you'll find many people claiming they have ethics.

So if we reverse evolution and turn into animals again we would be better off? Personally, I prefer to live to a nice long age and eat good food and enjoy culture, but maybe that's an odd thought.

yea, I'm pretty sure people 1000 years ago didn't like the fact that they rarely lived past 30, had their teeth rot out of their heads by 20, lived in filth and muck and disease, had 80% of their children die before adulthood, and worked their entire lives doing the same thing their father did, and their father's father, and their father's father's father, ad nauseum.

Viva mortis!