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Shiny
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Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2003 7:30 pm Posts: 810
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Mandatory ID Cards
Check this out - I seemto remembr reading something about this one here before but could not remember if it was from here or elsewhere.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/off ... 19456.html
At any rate - anyone else see issues with this? Invasion of privacy. Should we continue to give up our rights and freedoms?
I often feel people look at something and they see the good but fail to see the bad side of things. This to me is another freedom being taken away and if we continue to let these freedoms go away, then soon the deteriate into no right and slaves to the governmental agencies.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:51 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16662 Location: On a slope
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I'm opposed to anything that gives the government more power or control. As is, I think government is too powerful. If anything, I think laws should be removed.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:10 pm |
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Arathorn
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Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:23 am Posts: 3956 Location: Amsterdam
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In Holland, you have to carry an ID when you're on the street. It's supposed to be a measure against crime but they use it as a cash cow. If you cycle around without light at night you get a fine, but if you also haven't got an ID with you, you'll get another fine. Bastards.
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Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:18 pm |
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Rinox
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Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:23 am Posts: 14892 Location: behind a good glass of Duvel
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It's the same here, you have to carry your ID card around with you. No ID is a bad...erh..idea. They also issued new Id cards with an electronic chip in them, two years ago...now everyone getting a new ID card gets one of those. I was lucky enough that I had to renew my ID just before they came up with the electronic ones. I'm good until 2013 By then, I might be moving. hehe.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:08 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16662 Location: On a slope
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by then they'll have someone come by and implant an RFID in your forehead.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:25 am |
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Myrddin L'argenton
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Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:17 am Posts: 1717 Location: The Plateaus of Insanity
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The only ID I would like is a simple one that is free and allows me to prove I'm over 18. I can't be bothered getting either a drivers license or passport.
We've been having worse Satis, this was something that has been discussed quite a lot in Britain. I'm finding it ironic that the Land of the Free is getting them now.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:15 am |
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J
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Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:31 pm Posts: 3334 Location: Belgium
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As Ox says, over here it is very normal that you have to carry around your ID card. Don't see any problem with that.
And i have one of those electronic ones Ox (had to get a new one since we changed address) and there isn't much that changed: you hardly ever use it.
Annoying though that it has the size of a bankcard, so it doesn't fit with your driver's license etc. in your wallet. That's the biggest downside i see in it.
Btw isn't it a relatively new law in Holland that you have to have your ID on you? That's probably why they check for it. Since i haven't been asked a lot to show my ID, never when i was on a bike (with or without light).
I normally have it with me though, especially when driving a car.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:45 am |
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Arathorn
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Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:23 am Posts: 3956 Location: Amsterdam
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It was introduced maybe two years ago. But that's not the reason to check, it's the money. Why is everybody after my money? My rent is gong to be raised again next month. It's just 3.2%, but I do have to pay my own refuse taxes nowadays, so the raise is a lot more than that.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:03 pm |
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Mole
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Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:09 pm Posts: 4004 Location: Walsall, West Mids, UK
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I always carry ID anyway.
I think it should be mandatory to have an id, but not some government issued pile of crap, unless it's a free ID that you can apply for, that just proves your name/age/address.
The thing is the future is innevitable, it will at some point be humans with RFID's or whatever their sucsessor is. But we can fight it
I'm fairly mellow whin it comes to these things though. For instace at work they are doing video mystery shopping now, which I have no problem with. But most people are bitching saying "it's invasion of privacy" when really they mean
"I don't like looking at my self on film" when really what they really mean (I know this is true for at least one person at my work place) is "I don't want to be seen doing the half assed job that I do"
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:51 pm |
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Shiny
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To me there is a big difference between a card ID and a smart card ID. But maybe I am just paranoid. I suppose they will have fake ID's that are smart cards just as they have fake id's that are cards so.... I guess still ways around but it would bother me. Goes back to the whole RFID thing to me - I don't like the idea of being tracked.
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:36 pm |
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Rinox
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Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:23 am Posts: 14892 Location: behind a good glass of Duvel
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Moleman, how can you be against doing a half-assed job?! If it was up to me, I'd never want a camera working in my workplace. Thing is: because I am so brilliant, i can do a similar amount of work a lot faster than most of my co-workers. And then I spent the rest of the day having fun (as much as work allows you) and taking things easy. Now, if someone would catch that on tape....they'd give me MORE work for the same pay.
Should I be punished for my genius? I think not!
@ SHiny: so you wouldn't be really opposed to a 'cardboard ID'? Just an electronic one?
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:18 am |
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Mole
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lol, I don't like the idea of doing a half assed job if I'm being paid for it and have a certain amount of respect for my boss.In otherwords, If I paid to do a job, I do it right, unless my boss is a twat.
Anyway, I guess the thing is, on day we'll not need creditcards/id's etc, we'll just have a retinas scanned and then whoever will know if we have cash/drivers liscence/age/address etc.
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:04 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16662 Location: On a slope
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I always do whatever job I'm doing to the best of my abilities. Which invariably is better than anyone else that does that job. Which invariably means that I get assigned the harder jobs. Which means I end up doing significantly more work for the same pay. Fair? No. Because I'm as good as I am at my job, I think that either I should get paid more, or do my fair share and as a result get more down time in which I can screw around.
And yes, I am conceited.
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:11 pm |
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Rinox
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Hehe. So basically Satis, you are faced with the same problem as me, but you still work at the best of your abilities? Freak!
And Mole, sure, if I really like my boss I'll do a little smething extra too. But really, how often does that happen. I only had it happen to me once and that was during a manual labour job, so it was hard to do that 'good' or 'bad' anyway...it just had to be done. But anyhoo, I see what you're saying.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:35 am |
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Shiny
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I see a reason why a paper/cardboard ID could be beneficial to me - therefore I am ok with that type of an ID - however the electronic one to me is just trouble waiting to happen. As it is the cardboard one is a hassel - if you lose it - it is a pain to replace, costs money to replace, means someone could steal my "identity" blah blah. But I do not see why we will keep puching for more and more ways of being tracked.
And, as for the job thing. I work 5 times as fast as the girl who previously did my position. My boss even says so. But I am not saying that is all because I am a badass or anything. It is more of I don't take 15 personal calls while at work, or go into someone else's office and chat for an hour about non job related stuff, or have my other half visit me at work, eat every 15 min, or take hour lunches at the office after I take 45 min to run errands and pick up that same lunch. To me that is way more irritating than if someone just simply did not have the brain to do my job. She is just a lazy, insecure bitch.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:56 am |
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