I have not had a chance to watch this yet cause Im at work but my good friend, who normally think the 9/11 videos are BS, told me this one is very good. I figure since most of you live in that area it might pertain to you more.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ja ... alface.htm

Please tell me what you think about it, your view of the EU before and after the video.

Don't have the time to watch the whole things now, but i'll do so later. The fact that's it made by some Brits doesn't really add to the fairness value, however....they have this delusion that they're still a world playa!

haha...that delusion is echoed in the video to some degree, actually.

I did watch this (about 70%), and amazingly enough it's not the horrible propaganda that most of the 9/11 stuff is. Alot of it is, actually, spot on, though the attempt to tie the EU to a German/Nazi plot to rule europe is a bit thin and conspiratorial.

Alot of the other points, like the loss of sovereignity, is spot on. Which is why I would never have the US join something similar. Regardless, though there's some major crap in there, for the most part it's pretty good.

Haven't watched it completely yet, will do later.

The general idea seems to be that there's a hidden agenda namely politicians want to create a superstate named Europe.

As a first reaction i find that hard to believe, and i highly doubt if it would actually be even possible to make such a state.
In it's current form it's already really difficult to come to agreements in Europe, since most of the countries want things to go their way of course.
And there are already so much cultural, historical, ... differences. Even the big nations (like france and germany) often find eachother at the other end of the table in a dispute.

So imo: excaggerated (anit-europe) propaganda

btw: Great-Britain isn't that involved in the European union so far, and they've always been very conservative in that. Must be because they're just sitting there on that island probably.
Getting tired of the churchill-blabla .. watch the rest later

Well that's comparing apples to some other fruit really

I mean: look at the size, resources, ... of the USA and look at those of each individual european country. If Europe wants to be a player, they have to work together.

For the USA there's no need to join such thing, for europe it is almost necessary to have any influence on things.

true....which comes to what I think the real point of the EU is... to compete with the US. Individually they have no chance...collectively they can try to counterbalance our super power status. I don't necessarily see that as being a bad thing (competition in all things is to be encouraged), but I'm afraid of the bad things the EU could turn into. Then again, I'm afraid of the bad things the US could be turned into as well.

Before:

I have to admit, i don't know a great deal. If i were to talk about it, i would delve deep into political philosophy, rather than hard facts. It started as a just France, Germany and Benelux i think (after WWII). Mainly to keep a close eye on those naughty Germans. After that, i think it kept developing more into something economic, rather than political. These days, im under the impression that its trying to get more political and legislative.

Ive heard some arguments that mainly surround the criticism that the EU is not devolving power to the people in a democratic way, but instead it is being pushed and ratified by a few elite. Bah, i personally think people in general don't have enough power over THEIR OWN governments, let alone a European union.

After:

(will look at link later).

Well, dont worry Satis, before anything else, EU will turn into big pile of bureocratic sh*t, which is followed by an inter-european civil war, where all the major players wipe themselves out and Estonia takes the lead and rename it to United States of Estonia (omg im really laughing now) simple, brilliant if i say so myself lol

hehe....Estonia's plans for world domination continue as planned.

If I stuck my head 60 years into the future and saw Euro-Estonia on one side, Super-Panama on another, and maybe Sri-Lanka-Asia-Hegemony, I don't know what I'd do.

funny...on a related note, this story from the Guardian.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/constitu ... 47,00.html

basically about a law that's trying to be passed that would virtually eliminate parliament as a political force. Which would virtually remove democracy from england. Awesome stuff.

My friend was giving me some niggets of info.

Here are a few

-at one time the EU was going the be called the "european economic community " is strange because thats what hitler and his advisors planned to call the post war structure they were going to implement

-after germany realized they would lose, they began planning a way for germany to eventually dominate the post war peace

- there is no leagl or poitcial way for a member country to withdraw from the economic syncrinization, once it is in motion there is no way to undo it


-eu regulates alot of aspects of the local governments.people making the decisions are not elected and from another country. regulation areas like the environment, fishing, health, safety, military, trade, etc

-when a country joins and syncs its currency they transfer all gold and reserves to the european central bank


-so its not possible economically to revert back to british pounds because there is no longer an estblished exchange

-thats the key,make counrties economically dependent on the union

-each country can no longer control its own interrest rates like we do(US)

-if you cant control your rates then when the year ends a neighbor country could be doing well but your country may be basically in a depression and theres not a damn thing an elected politician can do about it

-and legally integration of the european justice system. no such thing as double jeprady. euoprean justice laws supercede local constitutions. heres the kicker, britain, no british citizen will get to vote on the new european legal structure. its already a working mechanism drafted by unelected officials,their own politicians who have representatives in the EU.

-the people who propse new legislation are mostly from the commitees of unelected people

-the only point of voiting is to vote for a new local government that will find a way out of this mess


-a legal system called corpus juru(guilty until proven innocent).arrest without charges.citizens must prove innocence

-video is foced on impact to Britian since they are the ones holding out the longest.

-basically britain is going to give up over 900 years of independence


-britain currently pays 1.3 million pounds in taxes every hour to the EU.because they are wealthy and countires like italy are not. regional wealth distribution.

-BTW frances econemy is shot and Germanys is recently nearly collapsed

- britains armed forces will be integrated into a european rapid response force ,it will effectively replace nato and the US involvment

- massive probelms with the EU arrising from equality issues by its members

-tax as realtion to gdp for britain was 34-37 percent, in the EU its around 54.3

-the system kills britain and helps shit holes like estonia

-welcome to full blown socialism like it or no

Thats basiclly what the EU does. Remove democracy.

EU- hated or loved here. Though we want independance but at the same time want to be part of the economics in a way. Some of the stuff in Britain would be better for it.
I agree that it should be a balancing power against/with the US meaning that you lot don't get total power all the time tho.