Definately. But what I meant is that there are ways of breaking down somethings into simple stuff that is similar to machine code, for example you can call water as simple H2O.

I have not seen the 2nd or last one. I did read a webpage that says something along the line of zion is need because the machine need hackers to hack into them so they make better code and become stronger.
http://www.matrix-explained.com/

Hm, the author of that webpage seems to only want to complain about the movies. I haven't read all of it (too much), but that guy constantly complains about the lack of answers in Revolutions.
Granted, but having all the answers presented in the movie would have been rather dull, it wouldn't make you think about it, wich is one of the things the makers obviously want.

I think the makers just threw some SF elements together, named some things with mythological names, and then hoped that ppl would start seeing things and symbolism everywhere in the Matrix.

Sorry , I posted that then read Rinox post on page 2. Nice post.

Tnx, it's good to get credit for one of the ten sensible posts i made in the entire existance of the forum. Even if it's not my own writing.

ok i'm in a lazy mood so only read first page but basically yeah it was good but 1 and 2 i'd watch as stand alone films, 3 i'd only watch if i decided to sit down and have a 'matrix marathon'. it didnt seem to contain the bits that ARE the matrix til the end, eg. being in the matrix, kung fu and bullet time. meh.

Mole: yes i will, no i won't, yes i will, no i won't...

Oh for crying out bloody loud. You guys, I had to sit through about 10 minutes of her bloody doing this whilst we were waiting for the bus from the cinema to the train station. Bloody hell. Anyway, I think the main problem with the (she's at it again) third installment of the matrix, was the severe lack of all the 'thinking' parts. It was pretty much your average action film. Don't get me wrong, it was a good film, but no where near as good as the second.

I loved the machines attacking Zion scene, that was awesome, but the final battle between smith and anderson wasn't that good- to much friggin' flyin' about all over the place, and not enough Fighting. Though some of the water effects were cool.

You just know there is going to be a fourth installment, where the machines have "modified" neo, because you don't actually know if he is dead or not. It's just whether or not the machines will keep the peace treaty, or if they'll turn neo in to some ultimate killing machine and the humans will have to fight him off. (ha!)

Or maybe they could get neo alive again, he fetches trinity's body and gets that revived but she goes all nasty because she wanted to stay dead this time, and tries to kill neo. Wahey.

Lol, I read as much of that as I could be arsed. - the architecht refered to neo as being a "mistake" yeah? well, maybe (unless you said that in what i didn't read) that the mistake is something to do with neo, essentially, being human. Humans ultimatley control machines, and ultimatley, control themselves, and so neo the machine, was overridden by his own free will as a human - hense his ability to stop the machines even though the humans believe in him had gathered them into one place and made them all easy targets.

Basically, no matter what you do to a human, apart from killing it, it has it's own mind and makes it's own decisions in what it does. Neo had decided he was going to save the humans, and did. - next thing we get is bloody robo-humans in real life! It's already existant in medication - with pacemakers and electronically aided breathing. It's just a matter of (long) time before they can do this with our brains. Scary.

Interesting interpretation of the Cyborg then?

yeah kinda - except that cyrborgism (don't care if it's not a word) has been (more recently) tuned to the humans making genetic things as apposed to mechanicly aiding things. We'll advance there before we can properly make genetice things because we understand mechanic's better.

So. Robo-humans.

Yeah and did you know that there is no way to make bone, synthetically of course, slight problem for modification, cyborgs are directed normally at modified humans, therefore Neo would be a cyborg