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Author:  ElevenBravo [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Circumcision More Effective Than Condoms

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Circumcision, Fidelity More Effective HIV Prevention Methods Than Condoms, Abstinence, Researchers Say

Promoting male circumcision and fidelity to one partner seems to be more effective at curbing the spread of HIV than promoting abstinence and condom use, USAID researcher and technical adviser Daniel Halperin said last week, the Chicago Tribune reports. As Halperin and other researchers analyze 20 years of studies on HIV/AIDS throughout Africa, they have tried to "put aside intuitions, emotions, ideologies and look at the evidence in as coldhearted a way as we can," Halperin said. During a speech at a meeting of the Southern African HIV Clinicians Society in Johannesburg, South Africa, Halperin said he and his colleagues discovered that regular sex partners rarely use condoms, and abstinence merely delays HIV infection among young people by one or two years. For example, condom use in Ghana and Senegal seems to have helped in the reduction of the spread of the HIV, which in those countries is particularly prevalent among commercial sex workers and their partners. However, condom use in South Africa and Botswana has had little effect in reducing those countries' HIV epidemics -- which have reached the general population -- because regular sex partners rarely use condoms consistently. In comparison, faithfulness to one partner has worked at reducing HIV prevalence in Uganda and Kenya, according to Halperin. Because a person is more likely to transmit HIV during the first three weeks of contracting the virus, an HIV-positive person who has just one partner during that time is likely to pass the disease to that one person. But if an HIV-positive person in the highly infectious stage has many sexual partners at a time, "the virus spreads like wildfire" as those people in turn have sex with other people, Halperin said. In addition, circumcision has been shown to reduce male-to-female HIV transmission by 60% to 75% (Goering, Chicago Tribune, 4/23). A study published in the November 2005 issue of PLoS Medicine of men living in South Africa finds that male circumcision might reduce the risk of men contracting HIV through sexual intercourse with women by about 60%. Male circumcision might also reduce the risk of HIV transmission from HIV-positive men to their female partners, according to a study of couples in Rakai, Uganda (Kaiser Daily HIV/AIDS Report, 2/9).


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical ... d=rssfeeds

Author:  Satis [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:41 pm ]
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wtf does circumcision have to do with transmitting/receiving AIDS? That makes no sense to me.

Author:  ElevenBravo [ Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:59 pm ]
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Satis wrote:
wtf does circumcision have to do with transmitting/receiving AIDS? That makes no sense to me.


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Laboratory studies have found that the foreskin is rich in white blood cells, which are favored targets of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. So the theory is that men who are uncircumcised are much more likely to contract the virus during sex with an infected woman, and that the epidemic spreads when these newly infected men have sex with other women within their network of sexual partners.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... printableL

Author:  Arathorn [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:53 am ]
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I don't understand how less contact with white blood cells is better then no contact with them.

Author:  Rinox [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:22 am ]
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I dunno...as an auto-immunity killing virus, it makes some sense that it would 'prefer' white bloodcells. As far as I know anything of medical science. :roll:

From what I've read, circumcisions are good for just about anything. Less chance of infections, less chance of getting nasty veneral diseases, more staying power (apparently) and a generally more esthetic view, according to some women. :P

But fuck getting a circumcision...no one comes near my penis with a sharp stabby object. :P

Author:  pevil [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:35 am ]
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Ok that makes no sense to me... not that I bothered reading it yet ;) But I thought the whole point of condoms was that theres no, er... fluid exchanges, which is how most stds are passed on. Now maybe circumcision WITH condoms would be better than just condoms. But not without, surely.

Author:  derf [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:09 am ]
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I think 11b may mean: It would be more reliable to circumcise every male in Africa, rather than making condoms freely available, to stop the spread of HIV.

Author:  ElevenBravo [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:57 am ]
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derf wrote:
I think 11b may mean: It would be more reliable to circumcise every male in Africa, rather than making condoms freely available, to stop the spread of HIV.


Thats what the article and study is saying yes.

And just out of curriostiy, who else here besides Rinox is not circumcised? Most circumcisions happen when the child is a baby.

Author:  Arathorn [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:30 am ]
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I'm not. Only jews and perhaps muslims are circumsized. Probably has something to do with the climate there. It probably isn't nice to get desert sand cought behind your foreskin. Not much of a problem in the rainy forests of Germania. :wink:

But even if circumcision helps against HIV, does it help against other STD's? It would be bad if people in Afrika would start thinking they can do everything when circumcized, only to create a new epidemy. I don't even think AIDS is the biggest problem of Afrika, it's more that everybody there fucks around without protection.

Author:  Rinox [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:20 am ]
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You're right Arathorn, according to this study in American men there is little correspondence between (general) venereal disease and circumcision

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/970403/circumcision.shtml

They do reveal some other interesting things tho, like that 81% of white males in America has had a circumcision. Statistically, that gives a +- 30% chance that Satis, 11B and Pig all have circumsized penises. Rejoice!


I love this topic.

Author:  tyranus [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:32 am ]
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Arathorn wrote:
I'm not. Only jews and perhaps muslims are circumsized. Probably has something to do with the climate there. It probably isn't nice to get desert sand cought behind your foreskin. Not much of a problem in the rainy forests of Germania. :wink:


its not only jews and muslims, some people have to have it done for medical reasons

*cough*

Author:  pevil [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:20 am ]
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I'm not! ;)

Author:  Satis [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:23 am ]
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I'm un. I was born in Germany.

Any let me tell you that some women (American women) are quite fascinated with it. :)

Anyway, I understand what the study is saying, but maybe they should just start mandatory HIV testing in Africa and move all HIV+ people to their own little community.

That is extremely wrong, but if the goal is to stop the spread of HIV regardless of the cost, that's the way to do it. Either that or kill them. Or chop off their penii.

Author:  Myrddin L'argenton [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:25 am ]
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I nearly was when I was a baby
no way is it going to happen now tho.
But I don't understand this.
If the virus gets into the blood stream isn't it going to infect the person anyway. Yes this is technical but the penis is engorged with blood whilst sex is going on and there is always white blood cells in the bloodstream, especially if there is a cut around the place. So circumcision shouldn't really affect this.
TBH tho fidelity is merely an option. The best ways is to be aware and regular tests for HIV as well as wearing condoms. Fidelity does help but some people might not want that. For those that don't want one partner there should be other choices.

Author:  RB [ Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:44 am ]
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Satis wrote:
I was born in Germany.

:shock: Really... ?

LÖL! Satis, das in Deutschland geborene Kind. :lol: Was werde ich noch hier hören... aja die Rolle der Beschneidung bezüglich HIV... :shock: ... I must have drunk too much beer. :P

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