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Author:  Satis [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:06 pm ]
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ugh....

http://www.gizmag.com/go/4439/

apparently it appears to be possible to grow meat in a lab. Would you like some artificial ribeye? Artificial chicken nuggets? *shiver*
Author:  tyranus [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:14 pm ]
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chicken nuggets are artificial enough as it is :?
Author:  Arathorn [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:35 pm ]
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Lol, I thought KFC was already selling that.
Author:  Satis [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:14 pm ]
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lol, that's an urban legend. :p

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/kfc.asp
Author:  Arathorn [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:06 pm ]
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Heh, I wasn't referring to that per se, but more to the general taste. Not that I have first-hand experience on KFC though, you won't get me in there with a stick.
By the way, I suppose those things don't grow bones? Then it will be the end of eating spareribs. I dread that day.
Author:  J [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:52 am ]
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Read about it somewhere and general reaction was: "Bah i can't imagine eating something grown in a lab, i prefer meat from a real animal".

I have no problems with artificial meat though, might be my scientific background dunno, but i doubt the meat we eat now is healthier/tastier than the meat they migth make in a lab. Once the technique is perfectionated of course.
Author:  Mole [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:51 am ]
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I'm with J.

If they could grow meat in labs on large scale, I'd eat it. They may even be able to make fat free meat. It'd stop battery farming, which would be nice, and maybe places would get wild animals again (such as wild cows chickens etc)

The only problem I see is the farmers will protest because they'll be out of the job.

But I think that so long as the meat is just as if not more healthy as the stuff that we eat already, I'm all for it. (Also so long as it is cheap to produce, and so cheap to buy)

And man, Do I love a good KFC.
Author:  Arathorn [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:51 am ]
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You're horrible. I refuse to eat anything that has "diet" or "light" stamped on it. That includes special fat free lab meat.
Author:  ElevenBravo [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:52 am ]
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I am becoming a vegetarian. Seriously.
Author:  Satis [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:51 am ]
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rofl....I eat carefully now. I don't eat red meat very often...mainly chicken, pork and turkey. :) I also drink diet coke with splenda. :P But anyway....

...yea, I guess it depends how it tastes. If it's indistringuishable from regular meat, I guess I'd eat it, since it would be cheaper (at least theoretically). As for bones...if they can simulate meat, why can't they simulate bone?
Author:  J [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:38 am ]
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To some degree mankind interferes in every category of food: fruit, vegetables, meat, milk, ... . This artificial meat would only be a next step, animals that supply meat aren't 'natural' nowadays, neither are the seeds that a farmer plants on his cornfield/whatverfield.
All are manipulated, specially selected, specially treated with idunnowhatkindofchemicals, ... .

So the vegetarian remark makes no real sense to me. You would just have to stop eating at all. And drinking as well.

Btw there isn't a big difference in making beer in a brewery or meat in a 'laboratory'. You just have to erase the "Labo = Man in white coat" picture for a minute. A brewery is a laboratory as well, where chemical and biological processes take place on a big scale. I haven't heard anyone say 'i stop drinking beer' here :P
Author:  Mole [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:04 am ]
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Exactly, even "organic" stuff isn't that clean. The amount of waste products from making organic things alone is bad enough.

As stated - so long as it was indistinguishable (or rather, so long as it tasted as good if not better)

Question: What is it they are groing it from? Or what raw material are they using?
Author:  Satis [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:06 pm ]
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according to the article, they can take a single cell of animal muscle and cause it to divide in a lab environment a huge number of times. I believe that's the basis.
Author:  Rinox [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:11 am ]
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Mm, that's interesting. (the article and everything) I don't see what would be wrong with eating this meat. After all, it's just...meat. :)

I think that a good balanced diet with meat, fish, vegetables and carbohydrates (bread, pasta, rice, potatoes) beats just about any 'healthy' alternative way. We are omnivores, and we should eat accordingly. That said, a lot of people forget to eat fish...which makes for bad diets. We generally eat a disproportionate amount of fish compared to our forefathers, and our body generally has a demand for the proteins in it. But because of our industrialized lifestyle fish is no longer the cheap, poor man's food (quite the contrary). Ah well. I eat fish all the time, pretty much every two days, in small quantities.

And if a goat can eat electric cords, then i'm pretty sure we don't go down that quickly from sucky food. :) We'll live.


Btw, the 'bad food' thing is mainly in the US, so I can understand Satis' and 11b's stance. It's starting to 'spread' here too, but overall we're still doing ok atm. The difference in quality of food also explains the pretty large difference in average height between Americans and Western Europeans. Over here ppl are generally getting taller, in the US they are getting shorter, iirc. The average Dutchman (tallest 'civilized' people) is already a good few inches taller than the average American. :o

http://home.ku.edu.tr/~jhitz/Americans% ... 20toll.htm

Quote:
Researchers have made a startling discovery: Americans are shrinking. A nation once famed for its strapping, well-nourished youth is gradually diminishing in physical stature.

By contrast, the heights of men and women from Europe are increasing inexorably. The average Dutchman, whose country produces the Continent's loftiest men, is now more than six feet tall - almost two inches above his American counterpart. And he is still growing. Across the Netherlands hotel owners are lengthening beds and raising door mantles to stop the nation's tall youth suffering from irreparable anatomical damage.
Author:  Arathorn [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:48 am ]
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Across the Netherlands hotel owners are lengthening beds and raising door mantles to stop the nation's tall youth suffering from irreparable anatomical damage.

I wish they did that elsewhere in Europe too. Espescially in France, those people really have no idea that there are other people in the first place, but espescially that those people aren't they ugly little men they are. Their beds are horrible.
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