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| Author: | ElevenBravo [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:50 am ] |
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create a house or create life from scratch? |
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| Author: | Rinox [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:00 pm ] |
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Erh...I can create life by growing various fungi on empty pizza boxes, so I would say the latter.  Building a house takes a little bit longer; not to mention creating one.
The more obvious option (having sex and creating a kid) is, alas, not available to me at this time. No matter, the fungi give me more love than I'll ever need. Mmm. |
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| Author: | ElevenBravo [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:27 pm ] |
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Im talking about from scratch. Not having sex and leaving pizza boxes out. Ill put it another way, is it easier to build a house or raise people from the dead(people who are truely dead not people who just died 30 sec ago) |
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| Author: | Arathorn [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:53 pm ] |
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Well, building a house is prolly easier then waking someone from the dead. If people are dead for too long their brain will start to degenerate so badly that it won't be much use waking them up anyway. |
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| Author: | ElevenBravo [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:32 am ] |
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... Well, since Im dealing with the low end of the gene pool ill speed this up... Creating a house is much easier than creating life. Can a house build itself? Without brick layers, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc, can a house build itself? Most importantly, before a house can be built it must be designed and a blue print must be made by a intelligent person. What are the chances of a house creating itself? zero So if a house can not build it self, and its easier to create than life, yet it needs a intelligent person to design it. Can life create itself? |
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| Author: | Rinox [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:08 am ] |
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It would depend on what you'd call 'create itself', but short answer: yes. Besides, I think comparing creating life and building a house is kinda like running a parallel between breeding a hamster and building a miniature plane: kinda pointless. So sayeth the God of the low end of the gene pool. |
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| Author: | Arathorn [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:50 am ] |
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Ah, you're an ID guy. Should've guessed. You should ask clearer. Creating doesn't mean "start to exist from itself". If I fart I create something too. And I don't feel like going into that pointless discussion now. |
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| Author: | ElevenBravo [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:32 am ] | |||||||||
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but your fart came from somewhere, it came from your anus caused by gases, and it is in no way intelligent. And rinox, is there anything in the universe that starts from nothing? Name 1 thing in the universe that creates itself. Fill in the blank. What is easier? To create _____ or to create life. Everything created has to have intelligence behind it. There is nothing in the universe that simply “does not exist then exist†|
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| Author: | Franny [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:01 am ] |
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I would say the universe itself didn't exist and then it did exist... |
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| Author: | Arathorn [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:21 am ] |
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What I wanted to point out is that your question wasn't clear. You said "create", and you meant "create from scratch", nor does that even imply it has to be intelligent. Then who created god? Why would the creation of a god be easier or more"natural" then anything else? |
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| Author: | Franny [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:28 am ] |
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uh oh the god word was mentioned... |
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| Author: | Arathorn [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:51 am ] |
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Yup, although the true ID beiever shuns that word because that makes their theories sound less "scientific". While off course, that's almost impossible, since the only thing less scientific is creationism. |
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| Author: | ElevenBravo [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:58 pm ] |
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When I mean create I mean create. I have to remind you, creating life doesnt mean "having sex". Having sex is called "reproducing". Reproducing means 1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of. 2. Biology. To generate (offspring) by sexual or asexual means. 3. To produce again or anew; re-create. 4. To bring (a memory, for example) to mind again; recall. Create means 1. To cause to exist; bring into being. See synonyms at found1. 2. To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir. 3. To invest with an office or title; appoint. 4. To produce through artistic or imaginative effort: create a poem; create a role. So i mean create which means "create from scratch". There is only one thing in the universe that can create itself from nothing, and that thing is conscience. Conscience or awareness just happens. It doesnt take anything else to create it, not an idea, not an image, not a word, not a brick or stone. Simply "I am". For someone who is not aware can out of nothing become aware. Its no surprise that when Moses asks God what his name is he replies "I am that I am". God = the great intellect that created the universe using its ultimate intelligence. So, given reason and logic as show above there had to have been a great intelligence who created life and the universe. Houses dont just appear out of no where, neither do cars, or humans, or planets, or solar systems. It takes intelligence to design those things. Its take intelligence to think of the IDEA of those things. Just as a house has blueprints drawn up by a intelligent architect, it takes great intelligence to make the blueprint for the universe and the life inside of it. I highly recommend everyone read this book called "The Freedom Of Choice". http://thefreedomofchoice.com/ Its even free if you dont feel like buying it. I suggest everyone read it because it destroys the idea of religion and explains the reason behind the universe and the purpose of life. Atheist and believers in god both will enjoy it. If there is one thing on these forums you should take my word for it is this. I seriously mean it. Not as a American, or a Texan, or what ever but as a human. I beg you, read it. Of course, if you dont want to then, that is your "free will". |
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| Author: | Rinox [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:53 am ] | |||||||||
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Myeah, that book doesn't seem that bad but it has a very new-agish aura, apparently. And it costs money. But thing is, the description goes on about our place in the universe or the purpose of our existence. The answer to these questions an atheist/postmodern person would give is 'what does it matter?' and 'there is no purpose, in the strict sense of the word'. So well, in that case reading the book is pretty much a going back to earlier thinking stages and kinda obsolete.
That's a quote from Alpha Centauri  the game
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| Author: | ElevenBravo [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:02 am ] |
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The book is free too, its suggested that its worth $5 but you can put $0. And, like the book says, each person has to exersice his/her on freedom of choice. So people will use the choice to try to understand and accept the true nature of our existance while other will choose not to. They will use their free will to build barriers to block the truth and thats completly normal. After all it is their free will. But you have to think. Everything in life has a purpose, everything. A chair is for sitting, the sun is for light, the water is for drinking... and humans are for living? Well thats doesnt makes sense does it? If humans are just for living, then a chair is not for sitting but for ...being a chair? and water is not for drinking but for....being water? Wouldnt you agree that a car is made for driving? We dont make cars just for them to be cars do we? Think about it. |
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