CALLER: I just thought I'd try and provide the missing context, and I believe it's the "Don't ask, don't tell," which Bill Clinton institutionalized the flood of deviants that we saw in the military.

HOST: By deviants, you mean "Don't ask, don't tell." You think some homosexuals are in the military now that might be involved in these pictures? Is that what you're saying out there?

CALLER: Right. I retired last year, and in the eighties, in the early eighties, we were --

HOST: You were in the military, you mean?

CALLER: Yes.

HOST: Yes, okay.

CALLER: In the early eighties we aggressively would investigate and discharge, not only homosexual behavior, but deviant behavior as well.

HOST: Uh-huh. All right, now, wait a second. Let's just play a little here, shall we? I hadn't considered this, but can we admit here that we've got some homoeroticism going on in these pictures? Can we admit this? Would you not [Program Observer Interruption] -- wait -- just hang with me here, Mr. Snerdley. Let me finish before you start getting on to alternative lifestyles. I'm not going to be criticizing anything here. Now, just calm down. Just calm down. Everybody gets all worried when I get into this area. Just sit there. I just want to ask a question, a simple little question. And it's hypothetical, and I understand this, but it is illustrative and designed to make you think.

Let us assume -- no, let's pretend -- hypothetically, that some, many, a few, commanders, what have you, of the guards that we are all so outraged at -- let's assume, as Mark says here that some of them happen to be homosexual who got into the military via the "Don't ask, don't tell," and let's say that it is learned. We learn that they're gay, and that they -- some of them are, hypothetical -- folks, will you calm down out there? Just don't overreact here. I just have a question. I just want to know, if that were ever learned, and I don't think it ever would be, because of "Don't ask, don't tell," you can never know this, but just a think piece here. If that were ever learned, do you think there might be a shift in thinking in this country on the part of some people about how outrageous this was?

Because as we know, the left has its various constituencies that they must protect in order to get their votes and get their money and this sort of thing. Let's assume that -- let's pretend that -- it is later learned that some of these people are in fact from the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, it's how they got in, do you think it might be possible that people who are at present really, really critical of this might call for a little bit more understanding and tolerance? I don't know.

By the same token, let's play both sides. Let's say that at that these are fundamentalist children of God. Let's say that these are full-fledged, hundred percent Christian, from the Bible Belt. The ones that the liberals just truly don't like. If it were ever learned that that's who they are, do you think it might change the degree of criticism that is taking place, and do you think maybe that the Christian community would change its attitude about who these people are and what they've done?

I don't know anything. I just didn't even think about it till this guy called. The point is that there's so much more that we don't know, and the reaction here -- one of the -- let me put it this -- as plainly as I can. One of the reasons that I'm sort of standing up, and I feel like I'm doing this sort of alone, and saying, "Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute, let's not jump off the cliff together," is because the reaction is too predictable to me. The reaction on the left, the reaction in "the media" is just too predictable, and it's just too familiar to me. And I'm not going to fall prey to it just because it may be the smart or right thing to do in terms of what's smart or right in this case.

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Call me crazy but lieing under oath and cheating on your wife is not something that is honorable. Its not something you want to do or should be assosciated with.

Hm.. what does this have to do with it?

The Mirror last week printed pictures apparently showing British soldiers urinating on a hooded prisoner and beating him with a rifle butt but their authenticity has been questioned.

11b: Oh and those British army pictures are FAKE. Ill say it again. FAKE. No point binging it up anymore.

11b: What separates me from you is that you are a stereotypical right wing citizen with right wing ideology, whereas I am much more liberal.