The post war plan was to setup a government and get the hell out and thats where the problem lies. Iraq's failure to get the government going due to its lack of unity.

Ok, alot of that stuff was pretty obvious to me compared to when the thread first opened.

So lets spice things up:

6) What was the reason behind 9/11?

11b, i already know your take on this, as weve talked extensively in the past.

You should take into account that creating a government from scratch is not done in a hurry. In the meantime, you should have enough soldiers in the area so you can guard important places like army depots, government institutions and places with valuable stuff like musea. You know that police won't function directly after the invasion, and you've just killed half of the army and fired the other half. How on earth could you think setting up a government and getting the hell out of there would have worked? Invading a country and getting a government up and running shouldn't be something new for the US army, it went quite well after WWII.

Yea, and how long did that take? I mean there is still a US Army base in Germany.

So what do we learn from this? Take your time. Although the reason the US army stayed so long in Germany had more to do with de red scare.

It took a long time to stabilize Europe, mainly because of the Russian menace the time. But at the same time, everyone in Europe was really happy to see us. Maybe not the Germans, but they were pretty thoroughly crushed. They also didn't mount an insurgency... they accepted their defeat and moved on.

Iraq's different. I still think most of the Iraqis support the west and their efforts to free Iraq. There's alot of freedom there that never existed before, and I know that people appreciate that.

At the same time, you have all the neighbors of Iraq being bastards and sending in their insurgents to cause the US shit, because they see it as a free opportuinity.

As for the reason behind 9/11.... it was what's his fuck's attempt to unify the arab world against the western world, as idiolized by the US. I don't think he really believed 9/11 would cow us, but maybe he hoped. I think he realized that we'd react violently to the attack, and we have. But I also think he hoped we'd move violently enought o piss off all of Islam and unite them in a holy war against us, which did not happen.

More like the cold war, not just USSR.



"us" as in the US? wtf? That so isnt true.



It didnt really work like that. I dont think the german nazi ideology was widely accepted in a way that would make the people turn to insurgency. Nowhere near what insurgency were seeing today in the middle east. That stuff is fuelled by hardcore religious fanaticism. Not saying necessarily that islamic extremism is common, but its far more considerable than remnants of the the nazi ideology.